city university at that time was free. they got an excellent, free education. now,-- from the government. >> from a local city and state government. not from the federal government. you see, there's this thing called the constitution. that's why i wrote this book because these two characters didn't believe i believe that the constitution meant what it said. the constitution limits the federal government and lets the states and local governments to do things. if you don't want to pay fair city college in your taxes, go to another state where they don't have these columns. if you want to live where people can get a good education, people who otherwise couldn't afford it, go live where the taxes pay for those schools. as ronald reagan said people can vote with their feet. >> jon: ultimate the federal government-- poor people, obviously their suz, the soles are not as quick, have trouble trouble with mobility in some sparse. you're saying the federal government should not be involved in education at all. >> no, the federal government should not be involved in educa